Meredith Root

Rebecca and Meredith discuss:

• How Meredith and Alex met Rebecca by showing up at Rebecca's Private Idaho, where Meredith cornered her to talk shop

• Meredith's move from a career in engineering, and Alex's move from law, into building Tactic Functional Fitness together

• The Yerkes-Dodson performance curve and why the right amount of stress builds growth while too much burns us out

• The four types of motivation: intrinsic, extrinsic, introjected, and identified

• The Fogg Behavior Model and why motivation naturally fades over time no matter how committed we are

• How power meters, heart rate monitors, and training data can help or hurt depending on where we are mentally

• The launch of Summer Streak, a joint habits challenge between Tactic and the Be Good Foundation, running August 10 through September 12

• The origins of the Be Good Foundation, tied to Rebecca's ride down the Ho Chi Minh Trail to the site of her father's death

Transformative insights:

• Motivation is found after action, not before it. We cannot think our way into a new way of being; we have to act our way into it.

• Stress and discomfort are the mechanism of growth, not something to eliminate; the goal is the middle of the curve, not the extremes

• Rebecca's realization on the Ho Chi Minh Trail that winning wasn't the end point but a launch pad for something else, which led directly to founding the Be Good Foundation

• Lasting fulfillment comes from love, community, and service, not from accolades, even for people who've already reached the top of their field

• Motivation problems are often not about willpower, but about never having identified the real reason behind the habit in the first place

Vulnerable moments:

• Rebecca on her concussion and the long recovery that led to creating this podcast, including putting her power meter in the closet because the data was demotivating her at her lowest point

• Rebecca on texting sports psychologist Dr. Michael Gervais out of nowhere during her concussion crisis to say she needed help and didn't know what to do

• Rebecca on the eating disorder she experienced in high school and how her early years in sport were rooted in fear rather than joy

• Rebecca on nearly quitting the Alaska Fat Pursuit after a wrong turn cost her the race, and the internal spiral of shame before deciding to keep going

• Meredith on realizing she was still spending the same hours in the gym after leaving competitive CrossFit and questioning what she was actually doing it for

Practical wisdom:

• The motivational menu: treat motivation like a buffet and build a mix of intrinsic, extrinsic, introjected, and identified motivators to draw from depending on the day

• Third-person self-talk: talking to ourselves the way we'd talk to a friend, especially when the internal voice turns harsh

• The opposite action technique: when a demotivating emotion takes over, do the literal opposite of what we feel like doing for 60 seconds, since emotions typically pass within 45 to 90 seconds

• The emotion-conversation-behavior loop: we notice the emotion, notice the story we're telling ourselves about it, and then choose the behavior; this is the point where change actually happens

• Ask what outcome we actually care about before starting a practice so we're working from identified motivation instead of just going through the motions

Personal growth:

• Rebecca's shift from a competitive athlete to someone who will never retire from being an athlete, separating retirement from competition from retirement from movement itself

• Rebecca's purpose expanding beyond personal achievement into service after the Ho Chi Minh Trail ride, moving from podiums to helping other people find their own

• Meredith's transition from an engineering career and a hyper competitive gym identity into building a coaching business meant to make movement sustainable rather than punishing

• Both women reflecting on how their reasons for training have changed over time and how that process is ongoing rather than finished